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Salaman
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I bought a 360 about 2 months ago and there's two things where I've since thought: Is this normal?

1) When I turn it off, the fans go from Boeing about to take off noise levels to a Boeing idling before pushing back from the stand levels of noise.
I didn't think this odd, as the bloody think is no doubt hot and like a projector for example, I can see how it takes a few minutes after shut down to cool down completely.
I noticed however that the fans running at low speeds noise keeps up even 1 to 2 hours after I've turned it off.
Surely that's not normal?

2) I bought a wireless charger with it when I bought it. Seemed daft to be plunking in batteries all the time like with the Wii.
It doesn't seem to be charging though.
It doesn't charge when I play, so first I assumed it only charges when the box is off & most often when it is, I have the plug it's connected to switched off, so I assumed I was preventing it from charging because I kept turning off the power to the box when it would be looking to charge.
I've recently left it on a few times and even then, the controller is still flat.

Surely not normal either. How's this one supposed to work?

#1 at 11:07:28 - 08/09/2008
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If the fans are going when it's 'turned off' it's downloading something on low power. Do you have demos / videos queued up?

As for the wireless charger... I'm not sure what you mean with that. I just run a USB battery charger from mine as the 360 leaves its USB ports powered up when it's on standby so I can still charge stuff up, unlike the PS3 which completely knocks its ports off.
#2 at 11:57:36 - 08/09/2008
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If the USBs are feeding power at shut-down then it continues to do so until the USB device no longer requests power. You'll notice that the PSU light is still green.

The light on the charge cable will be amber if charging and green if it thinks the batteries are full. I have seen it go straight to green sometimes when it should be charging, re-plugging in the cable usually makes it go amber.
#3 at 12:04:27 - 08/09/2008
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I've not signed up to Live yet, I've so far treated it like a dumb old console. Turn on, play game, turn off.
I keep planning to plug in an internet cable sometime and setting up a live account.

The charger is a USB charger for the wireless controller. It's plugged into the USB port but even if it remains powered (often all power is off though, while it's switched off at the plug) the thing doesn't seem to charge. It doesn't charge while you play?
#4 at 12:04:53 - 08/09/2008
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Tiger_Walts said:
The light on the charge cable will be amber if charging and green if it thinks the batteries are full. I have seen it go straight to green sometimes when it should be charging, re-plugging in the cable usually makes it go amber.


Hmm I so far have seen green and red. I'll give the re-plug ago.
#5 at 13:03:06 - 08/09/2008
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There are only two LED states for the cable so your cable may have a red LED instead of amber.
#6 at 13:14:00 - 08/09/2008
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Ah OK.
I've tried unplugging it at the controller and it then turns red, after about 10-15 seconds it goes to green.
It's almost always green although the thing isn't charged.

Maybe I just need to go and take it back.
#7 at 14:11:24 - 08/09/2008
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Ha! I paid some closer attention to it yesterday.
The light is always green. If I unplug it and then connect it again it goes red for 12 seconds, then it's back to green.

After I turned off the Xbox, it was just green. Interestingly, when I unplugged the USB cable for the charger so I could plug it in again and hopefully start it to charge, the idle fans that keep going for hours afterwards normally stopped the second I disconnected the USB cable.

I'll try to dig up the receipt and take the thing back.
#8 at 12:47:44 - 09/09/2008
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Yup, sounds like it all thinks that the battery is charged when it isn't.
#9 at 13:15:33 - 09/09/2008
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Thanks T_W helpful info mate. At least I understand it's just broke, not me that doesn't understand how it should work.
#10 at 16:55:11 - 09/09/2008
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Bit of a noob question here, yes I ask that kind of question a lot. I have just come back from Thailand, having had an excellent time over there.

Whilst browsing the markets I became aware that there were stupidly cheap xbox360 games available. In the spirit of enquiry, I bought one, just to see how dodgy it looks. The item itself looks pretty good. My question now is, will it brick my 360 immediately I insert the disc?

I don't go for that kind of stuff normally, this time I bought one just because I was intrigued that it exists, and in quite an obvious manner at that. I didn't think it was even possible for the current generation of consoles.
#11 at 16:15:20 - 14/09/2008
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I wouldn't have thought it'd brick the machine - but they might ban you from live if you go online with it.

Most likely, you'll probably just find you need a chipped machine, else it's just another shiny coaster.
#12 at 17:26:43 - 14/09/2008
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Meh, shiny coaster it is. Didn't cost much so it's just a lesson learned.
#13 at 23:32:27 - 14/09/2008
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Can't think of a better place to put this so why not here...

My new 360 has something really odd about it. If I plug anything into the USB slot when it's off, it will instantly spring to life and switch on. Conversely, if I remove any USB devices during normal operation, it switches itself off. Is that normal? Or have I picked up yet another duffer...

Bit annoying when I transfer my USB keyboard between 360 and PS3 at the mo but liveable-with.
#14 at 18:10:41 - 01/12/2008
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I'll try and test this when I get home tonight.
#15 at 18:42:40 - 01/12/2008
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Neither of my 360s do that, and I swap around pendrives and battery chargers between them.

Does it only do it with certain things, or it could be a new setting in the dashboard...?
#16 at 18:53:00 - 01/12/2008
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I have a USB keyboard usually plugged in, too, but don't experience anything like that if I plug it in while it's off, or unplug while it's on.
#17 at 20:37:27 - 01/12/2008
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Hmm here's odd. My old Xbox 360 (which came back from its holidays in the DDR yesterday) doesn't do it, yet the new one does. I think it's something to do with the over-sensitivity on the front panel power button, and natural movement of the faceplate while plugging stuff into the USB port seemed to trigger it.

Real odd that. Might try a faceplate swap just to see if it's that.

One interesting thing I did notice between the two 360s - my new Arcade model's PSU doesn't fit the old 360. The keyed power plug that goes into the back of the machine is a little different and features an extra row of pins in the middle on the newer one. Could be because it's a Jasper job but didn't know they'd retooled the motherboards / PSUs...

One nice thing about the old 360 coming back, I got a month's extension to Gold LIVE which I spose I bloody well should've got really.
#18 at 09:34:14 - 02/12/2008
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If the PSU is a 175W, it's a Falcon. If it's 150W, it's a Jasper.
#19 at 12:32:38 - 02/12/2008
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Tis 150w.

Which I guess explains the weirdo power supply.
#20 at 12:47:19 - 02/12/2008
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#21 at 13:00:28 - 02/12/2008
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Oooh!

Hopefully this will mean that the bloody thing will last more than a week then!

The Prem I just got back from MS was a 2006 model, which I thought was a bit on the cheeky side (but then it does match the one I sent back I spose).

I noticed the drive was a lot quieter - then realised that they'd shipped it with a brand new drive (still with the plastic drawer protection on) - possibly to stop me modding the thing with the old mod-friendly Samsung drive.

Other thing is that it's very quiet fan-wise as opposed to the old prem's constant wooshing and harrier jump jet impressions.

I still prefer the core arcade one I've got (just) so my brother in law will be getting the prem plus a few games (and an extremely worn joypad) for chrimbo, lucky bugger...
#22 at 13:17:27 - 02/12/2008
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So I'm considering getting a 360 in time for Christmas. Well, I was looking at the PS3, until I found out that it's not very well suited to SDTVs... and obviously I wouldn't have any use for a BR player atm.

Now, I've been looking at a few deals on GAME (mainly so I can trade some games in), and the Elite pack + Fable II for around £250 looks tempting. I could always get a couple of other games with it, though I'm interested in playing some of the XBLA stuff first (Braid, Ikaruga, Rez et al).

Apologies for the long post, but I have a few questions first:

1). The whole reliability thing has always put me off. Apparently the newer models are much better in that respect, but still not perfect. I'm also hearing about newer motherboard revisions - Zephyr, Falcon, Jasper etc - which all mean nothing to me. What I want to know is, does it matter which version of the console I get? Are the, say, Elites more reliable than the Premium consoles?

2). The noise issue is also something else that isn't ideal. Does installing to the HDD make this a, heh, 'mute' point? Can you do that with all games? I suppose I'd be better off going with 120GB Elite version then.

3). How does the 360 fare on SDTVs? Specifically a 21" crappy old Sony CRT. Apparently the PS3 is locked at 50hz on SDTVs, does the 360 have any similar problems (apart from the text being a little unreadable on some games)?

4). Am I right in thinking that the 360 does not come with wireless functionality? Even the Elite? And that I have to pay around £60 to get the adaptor? Fucking hell.

5). The Elite comes with an HDMI cable (which I'll have no use for, I think) so I'll have to buy a seperate RGB SCART cable too, won't I? If I don't want to be stuck with crappy composite, that is (does that cable even come with the console)?

6). Finally - is it really worth getting the Xbo... only kidding, I already know what everyone's answer will be.

That's it... for now. :) Cheers in advance.

K
#23 at 15:35:51 - 15/12/2008
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Using your numbers Kay,

1)I think chipsets aren't SKU dependent. Regardless, anything with a sub 175 PSU should make it the newest chipset, the Jasper, and they're supposed to be pretty reliable.

2)It is a moot point if you install, and tbh, if you have the sound on the telly up a bit, its not that noticeable ingame either. Certainly on newer models at any rate

3)I spent a while playing on a 15 inch portable and apart from having to squint a bit at the text in Fifa on the menus, I was fine.

4) You can get the wireless adapter a lot cheaper- currently £40 from shopto.

5)dunno about the elite- I have an arcade, but I can furnish you with a freebie RGB cable if you want one, I should have mine knocking about somewhere

6)Go to Zavvi, they have some mental offers on :)

I personally went for an arcade and a 120gig HDD. I think you could do that for around £170 atm, without games.
#24 at 15:43:43 - 15/12/2008
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Actually, with all the add ons Amazon have the best deal atm. You need to fiddle around with codes they give you at the bottom, but you can get the elite, an extra wireless controller and a top game for £230.
#25 at 15:46:29 - 15/12/2008
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The reliability issue hasn't gone away with the Jaspers but now Microsoft's service thing is as slick as snot, it's a bit of a non issue really. Still better to buy from a bricks 'n' mortar store (like Game) than anywhere online simply because if it does tank within the first year you should be due a direct replacement.

My recent experience with the MS Service thing was a goodie and the console went there and back within ten days which isn't too much of a ballache. Plus with the prices of arcade core packs going down, and probably due for another cut to bring 'em below 100 quid in the near future, cheapo replacements should be readily available.

#26 at 16:06:31 - 15/12/2008
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I'd say the reliability issues went with the Falcon. I've seen nothing that convinces me otherwise that couldn't be attributed to actually being "Hey, things break" instead of the clusterfuck of the Xenon/Zephyrs (although my 2007 Zephyr is perfectly happy as well famous last words etc.).
#27 at 16:10:25 - 15/12/2008
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/rubs a lucky rabbit's foot while touching cloth..WOOD, I mean WOOD
#28 at 16:11:49 - 15/12/2008
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Oops! Didn't realise that Zavvi have already dropped the price of 360 to below 100 quid
#29 at 16:49:31 - 15/12/2008
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Mad isn't it? Same price as a PS2 but you get a memory card with your arcade :)
#30 at 16:52:07 - 15/12/2008

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