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Rhythm
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Is actually looking nice. The best improvement? Gaining hardware buttons! :-D

They're going to be selling them PAYG, so for 100 this might be a must-buy
#1 at 10:44:32 - 10/06/2008
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Do you really believe they'll sell them for 100? I think even 200 is pushing it.

It'll be 300/350 and still way too expensive.
#2 at 10:47:41 - 10/06/2008
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If they would do a fair conversion of prices to the euro zone with current exchange rates I would definitely get one. Not sure how likely that is though. sigh

Whats the onscreen keyboard like? What I like about BlackBerry is the keyboard.
#3 at 10:51:53 - 10/06/2008
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Rhythm said:They're going to be selling them PAYG, so for 100 this might be a must-buy


Bugger. There's no chance it'll end up 100 on payg, but as long as it doesn't end up as much as 300, that's still tempting.
#4 at 10:58:59 - 10/06/2008
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HairyArse said:Do you really believe they'll sell them for 100? I think even 200 is pushing it.

It'll be 300/350 and still way too expensive.


You reckon? There's no reason the 8GB Touch/Phone shouldn't be less than 150 now
#5 at 11:09:33 - 10/06/2008
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Have you seen the real price of smartphones recently? They're all stupidly expensive if you don't get them under contract.

Just look at the prices of the iPhone2's competitors: You can pick up a Nokia N95 for around 300 unlocked (and that's the old, non 8gb version!), the new HTC Diamond is going to retail for 420, perorder prices for the Sony Xperia X1 are 500!

I'm hoping it comes in at under 300, any more than that and I won't even consider it.
#6 at 11:28:05 - 10/06/2008
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But look at other competitors that don't bring back additional revenue and they're under 200 (N800, N810).

There's a clear disconnect between prices as people following the HTC model charge an absolute mint. If Apple play this smart, they'll release cheap and go for selling bulk amounts.
#7 at 11:32:30 - 10/06/2008
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Hmmm HTC diamond looks aces.

Shame I just committed to a HTC Touch Dual on an 18month contract in Feb.

:(
#8 at 11:42:22 - 10/06/2008
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Rhythm said:But look at other competitors that don't bring back additional revenue and they're under 200 (N800, N810).

They are just wireless tablets, not phones, and awfully underspecced compared to the iPhone 2 - the N800 doesn't even have GPS in. And whilst the N810 does have GPS, you're still struggling to pick one of those up for under 250.
#9 at 12:03:58 - 10/06/2008
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As someone who's owned both a Nokia tablet and an iPod Touch, the tablets are not underspecced at all. GPS modules cost fuck all to put into small devices and the iPhone screen is AWFUL compared to high-res ones like those.

My point was that the tablets are already priced low and don't bring in any further revenue. Phones tied into a particular service provider are priced *lower* - an 8GB iPhone shouldn't reasonably cost more than 150, especially given that it's *identical* to the iPod Touch, wich has retailed for 199 for a year already and is well due for a drop in price.
#10 at 12:11:28 - 10/06/2008
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Rhythm said:an 8GB iPhone shouldn't reasonably cost more than 150, especially given that it's *identical* to the iPod Touch,

And that's the part where I'm disagreeing with you. The Touch doesn't have a phone with HSDPA, or A-GPS. That's the expensive part right there. There isn't any 3G HSDPA phone that I'm aware of that retails for under 200, the technology is still too new. Even normal GPS is enough to bump the price up by 50.

And when O2 have already announced that the 8GB iPhone 2 is going to be 100 on the 30 per month contract or free on the 45 or above contracts (both 18 months), then that alone suggests that the unlocked payg price isn't even going to be close to 200.
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The contracts work differently for iPhones. You could previously buy a contract-free iPhone from CPW for 269 and then 169. To increase the price now would be nonsensical
#12 at 12:43:19 - 10/06/2008
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Reads like Nadal - Federer. The question is, is this clay or grass?
#13 at 12:59:04 - 10/06/2008
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El Reg on the prices:

Maybe, but the price certainly has: $199 for the 8GB model and $299 for the 16GB version. This time last year, they were set at $599 and $699, before falling to $399.
#14 at 13:56:27 - 10/06/2008
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Rhythm said:The contracts work differently for iPhones. You could previously buy a contract-free iPhone from CPW for 269 and then 169. To increase the price now would be nonsensical

The 169 price was just a discount price with CPW trying to dump stock before the 2 landed. It wasn't an official price drop.

And wasn't it still contract only? I didn't realise that the iphone 1 was ever available unlocked officially in the UK. CPW were just acting as resellers for the O2 deal, weren't they?

Edit: And no, I don't count jailbreaking it as "contract-free" :-p
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What other features are different ? Have they got memory expansion slots, or is 16Gb the maximum amount of memory still ?
#16 at 15:01:33 - 10/06/2008
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quedex said:
Rhythm said:The contracts work differently for iPhones. You could previously buy a contract-free iPhone from CPW for 269 and then 169. To increase the price now would be nonsensical

The 169 price was just a discount price with CPW trying to dump stock before the 2 landed. It wasn't an official price drop.

And wasn't it still contract only? I didn't realise that the iphone 1 was ever available unlocked officially in the UK. CPW were just acting as resellers for the O2 deal, weren't they?

Edit: And no, I don't count jailbreaking it as "contract-free" :-p


The 169 was an official drop and you were never under obligation to take the contract out with CPW.
#17 at 15:31:30 - 10/06/2008
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JimJam said:What other features are different ? Have they got memory expansion slots, or is 16Gb the maximum amount of memory still ?

No slots, no removable battery, choice of 8 or 16Gb. Specs


Rhythm said:The 169 was an official drop and you were never under obligation to take the contract out with CPW.
Fair enough, but the drop was still aimed at clearing stock while they still could (link to news article from April here), and you did have to take the 18 months with O2 if you wanted to use it as a phone instead of a glorified Touch.

They'll have no reason and no incentive to bring out the new revision at a similar discounted rate especially if they can't get a guaranteed 18 months of free money to go with it. With them announcing a PAYG deal as well, I'd still put money on the 99 price only counting if you get the contract.
#18 at 16:14:20 - 10/06/2008
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I don't doubt that you're right, Q, but I'm listing my many reasons for being optimistic ;-)

Dunno why though - you still can't use it as a modem and thus it's pretty useless to me. My next phone's likely to be an N82 :-)
#19 at 17:37:04 - 10/06/2008
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JimJam said:What other features are different ? Have they got memory expansion slots, or is 16Gb the maximum amount of memory still ?

No slots, no removable battery, choice of 8 or 16Gb. Specs

Cheers Q - that's still not a seller for me then. Want at least 32Gb of memory. I know I could swap stuff about, but I don't want to be arsing around all the time.
#20 at 19:15:53 - 10/06/2008
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It will be mine.

N800 / N810 are in a differently league, namely the CRAP league. At least that's true for my N800. It just doesn't feel nice to use at all. Sluggish, slow, fiddly.
#21 at 12:04:37 - 11/06/2008
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[maven] said:It will be mine.

N800 / N810 are in a differently league, namely the CRAP league. At least that's true for my N800. It just doesn't feel nice to use at all. Sluggish, slow, fiddly.


Wheras I *love* my N800 and hated the iPod Touch I bought....
#22 at 14:26:34 - 11/06/2008
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Heh. Want a second one? :)
#23 at 16:55:46 - 11/06/2008
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Nah, unless it's a N810 ;-)

With my N800 and a bluetooth keyboard I have a full PC that fits in my pocket - I really can't speak highly enough of it. I can't wait till they announce their next-gen models
#24 at 17:07:10 - 11/06/2008
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[maven] said:
Heh. Want a second one? :)

A fiver.

/Alan Sugar
#25 at 18:35:15 - 11/06/2008
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Rhythm said:Nah, unless it's a N810 ;-)

With my N800 and a bluetooth keyboard I have a full PC that fits in my pocket - I really can't speak highly enough of it. I can't wait till they announce their next-gen models


Why would you want to waste money on a half gimped internet tablet like that, when you could buy a proper mini pc like this? ;-D
#26 at 19:33:44 - 11/06/2008
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Rhythm said:Nah, unless it's a N810 ;-)

With my N800 and a bluetooth keyboard I have a full PC that fits in my pocket - I really can't speak highly enough of it. I can't wait till they announce their next-gen models


Why would you want to waste money on a half gimped internet tablet like that, when you could buy a proper mini pc like this? ;-D


Heh, I'm guessing that doesn't cost under 150 ;-)
#27 at 20:51:39 - 11/06/2008
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HairyArse said:
It'll be 300/350 and still way too expensive.


You were right - 499 according to Vodafone Italy
#28 at 21:47:34 - 16/06/2008
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Not sure if I care though - Nokia E71's so confirmed that there's a tutorial site online!

#29 at 21:53:40 - 16/06/2008
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299 / 369 including 6 months free browsing + wifi

Think I'll keep looking for something else, thanks.
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